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    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Mar 26 14:01:21 2019
    MvdV> Some ISPs in Europe have started issuing a DS-Lite connection to new
    MvdV> customers. That means they have no public IPv4 address.

    And that's what you thought I should be considering when you suspected I was offered just that within a private 100.64.0.0/10 network? As opposed to my, longer than you, tunnels from first SixXS and then he.net.

    Sometimes I really do not understand you, Michiel. :(


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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Björn Felten on Tue Mar 26 14:41:32 2019
    Hello Bj”rn,

    On Tuesday March 26 2019 14:01, you wrote to me:

    MvdV>> Some ISPs in Europe have started issuing a DS-Lite connection
    MvdV>> to new customers. That means they have no public IPv4 address.

    And that's what you thought I should be considering when you
    suspected I was offered just that within a private 100.64.0.0/10
    network?

    I did indeed suspect that was what was offered to you. No, it is not what I thought you /should/ be considering. But with your scientific background, I would have expected you to take a quick look under the hood now that the vehicle was accidentally parked on your driveway. Just out of curiosity. I certainly would have. Independant of whether I wanted it for myself or not.

    As opposed to my, longer than you, tunnels from first SixXS and then he.net.

    Why the pissing contest? I do not know if your SixXs tunnel predated mine or not. I did not keep the records after they closed shop. It may or it may not. What I do know is that my Fidonet IPv6 connectivity predates yours. I am #4 on the list, you are #12. Plus that I have the he.net sage T-shirt...

    Sometimes I really do not understand you, Michiel. :(

    That goes both ways. I suspect that is at least partly due to both of us having to make do with a language that is not our native language.

    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Mar 26 15:30:08 2019
    MvdV> I do not know if your SixXs tunnel predated mine or not.

    You should. We even made jokes about it in this very echo. Alas, never mind.

    I still don't understand why you think I should contemplate, no less investigate, a connection that would deprive me of all IPv4 connectivity.

    Well, EOD.


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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Mar 26 17:08:28 2019

    Plus that I have the he.net sage T-shirt..

    However, you may not be licensed to wear it, you are not using he.net
    tunnel anymore.. :-D

    'Tommi, he.net certified sage

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Tommi Koivula on Tue Mar 26 16:13:07 2019
    Hello Tommi,

    On Tuesday March 26 2019 17:08, you wrote to me:

    Plus that I have the he.net sage T-shirt..

    However, you may not be licensed to wear it, you are not using he.net tunnel anymore.. :-D

    The license expires when the tunnel is no longer used? Hmm...

    Indeed, I do not use it any more. I have native IPv6 since medio 2016 and I can report that although he.net provides an excellent service, native IPv6 is better than a tunnel. I am one of the lucky ones. :)

    'Tommi, he.net certified sage

    If you show me yours, I will show you mine. ;-)


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Mar 26 18:55:54 2019

    'Tommi, he.net certified sage

    If you show me yours, I will show you mine. ;-)

    https://www.fidonet.fi/sage.pdf

    ;-)

    'Tommi

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Tommi Koivula on Wed Mar 27 09:19:00 2019
    On 03-26-19 17:08, Tommi Koivula wrote to Michiel van der Vlist <=-


    Plus that I have the he.net sage T-shirt..

    However, you may not be licensed to wear it, you are not using he.net tunnel anymore.. :-D

    I got mine long after I closed my last he.net tunnel, having been native for many years. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Michiel van der Vlist on Wed Mar 27 09:22:00 2019
    On 03-26-19 16:13, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tommi Koivula <=-

    The license expires when the tunnel is no longer used? Hmm...

    I don't recall a question about whether one uses a he.net tunnel. ;)

    Indeed, I do not use it any more. I have native IPv6 since medio 2016
    and I can report that although he.net provides an excellent service, native IPv6 is better than a tunnel. I am one of the lucky ones. :)

    I went native in 2011, and my VPS went native within a couple of years after that.

    'Tommi, he.net certified sage

    If you show me yours, I will show you mine. ;-)

    I've got one to show too. ;)

    Took me longer to get my shirt, had to wait for someone external to me to fix up their NS glue records, before I could claim mine. :)


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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Tommi Koivula on Wed Mar 27 11:50:37 2019
    Hello Tommi,

    On Tuesday March 26 2019 18:55, you wrote to me:

    'Tommi, he.net certified sage

    If you show me yours, I will show you mine. ;-)

    https://www.fidonet.fi/sage.pdf

    Ah, I did not mean the certificate. I should have that around somewhere as well.

    http://ipv6.he.net/certification/create_badge.php?pass_name=Roetzen&badge=1

    I meant the T-shirt.

    http://www.vlist.eu/fotos/sage-f.jpg
    http://www.vlist.eu/fotos/sage-b.jpg


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Tony Langdon on Wed Mar 27 11:54:56 2019
    Hello Tony,

    On Wednesday March 27 2019 09:19, you wrote to Tommi Koivula:

    Plus that I have the he.net sage T-shirt..

    However, you may not be licensed to wear it, you are not using
    he.net tunnel anymore.. :-D

    I got mine long after I closed my last he.net tunnel, having been
    native for many years. :)

    You lucky one. ;-)


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Michiel van der Vlist on Wed Mar 27 17:00:08 2019


    ;  TK> 'Tommi, he.net certified sage
    ;
    If you show me yours, I will show you mine. ;-)

     TK> https://www.fidonet.fi/sage.pdf

    Ah, I did not mean the certificate. I should have that around
    somewhere as well.

    Oh...

    I meant the T-shirt.

    Why didn't you say so. :) Well, you have seen it, I wrote about
    receiving my t-shirt 30.01.2015.

    'Tommi

    .... he.net certified sage

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Tommi Koivula on Wed Mar 27 16:11:22 2019
    Hello Tommi,

    On Wednesday March 27 2019 17:00, you wrote to me:

    I meant the T-shirt.

    Why didn't you say so. :) Well, you have seen it, I wrote about
    receiving my t-shirt 30.01.2015.

    Four years ago. I forgot. And the url has expired:

    Sorry, we could not find the dy.fi tiny URL you have requested. Please check the spelling of the URL.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1 to Michiel van der Vlist on Wed Mar 27 17:47:40 2019

    Sorry, we could not find the dy.fi tiny URL you have requested. Please
    check the spelling of the URL.

    "Short URLs are released for re-use after they have not been used for 6
    months. When a new long URL is inserted, it always gets the shortest
    available short URL."

    'Tommi

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Michiel van der Vlist on Thu Mar 28 07:45:00 2019
    On 03-27-19 11:54, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    I got mine long after I closed my last he.net tunnel, having been
    native for many years. :)

    You lucky one. ;-)

    Yeah, went native and never looked back. :)


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