• does the universe exist beyond our horizon??

    From kazu@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 19 19:03:34 2024
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or
    can there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to kazu on Sat Oct 19 23:30:59 2024
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    kazu wrote:

    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or
    can there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??


    What would your answer be if a fish in the ocean would ask you the same question?





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  • From kazu@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sun Oct 20 11:14:42 2024
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    The Starmaker wrote:
    kazu wrote:

    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or
    can there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??


    What would your answer be if a fish in the ocean would ask you the same question?


    i would say, watch out for the shark!! fish just eat and eat each
    other. i eat fish as well. i like fish.

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to kazu on Sun Oct 20 10:12:59 2024
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    kazu wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:
    kazu wrote:

    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or
    can there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??


    What would your answer be if a fish in the ocean would ask you the same question?


    i would say, watch out for the shark!! fish just eat and eat each
    other. i eat fish as well. i like fish.

    Oh, you are the shark outside the fish ocean universe..

    inside the ocean you are fish food.

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to kazu on Sun Oct 20 10:40:08 2024
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    kazu wrote:

    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or
    can there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??


    The earth is like an egg. But you first have to boil the egg for
    3 minutes..then remove the earth crust, and cut the egg in half and you
    will see the earth's core.


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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sun Oct 20 20:32:35 2024
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    The Starmaker wrote:

    kazu wrote:

    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or
    can there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??

    The earth is like an egg. But you first have to boil the egg for
    3 minutes..then remove the earth crust, and cut the egg in half and you
    will see the earth's core.



    Now I'm going to explain

    "is there something outside".

    You got the ocean water universe

    with all the fishes...

    pass the ocean water universe..

    you have You at the bottom of

    the ocean...an ocean of air..

    that is around the earth and

    you at the bottom of that

    air ocean walking on it's surface.


    In other words, you live in

    an ocean of air at the bottom

    of the ocean...the air ocean.

    Now, you go pass the air ocean..

    up, up, an up and you reach

    the no air ocean some call it space.

    A WHOLE ocean of no air or water.

    Now, to go

    outside

    of the no air ocean

    you have to pass

    what they call the dark matter...

    and you pass that ...dark, and

    you have reached

    "is there something outside".

    can there even be outside??

    It's outside the water
    outside the air
    outside the space

    You are in the inside
    looking out from the
    bottom of the ocean.


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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Mon Oct 21 14:46:49 2024
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    On 21-Oct-24 1:40 am, The Starmaker wrote:
    kazu wrote:

    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or
    can there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??


    The earth is like an egg. But you first have to boil the egg for
    3 minutes..then remove the earth crust, and cut the egg in half and you
    will see the earth's core.


    The current thinking is that the universe is infinite in spatial extent,
    but only 13.7 billion years old. In consequence of its finite age, we
    can only see a finite amount of it.

    So whether it's really infinite in extent is not something we actually
    know, and can probably never know. We also don't know whether the
    physical laws are really the same everywhere. There could be variations
    that are too small to be detectable in the amount of the universe that
    we can see.

    In some ways, having physical laws that vary over the universe is philosophically attractive, because it could be an answer to why the
    laws we see seem so finely tuned to support our existence.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Bertietaylor@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Mon Oct 21 09:45:06 2024
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 6:46:49 +0000, Sylvia Else wrote:

    On 21-Oct-24 1:40 am, The Starmaker wrote:
    kazu wrote:

    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or
    can there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??


    The earth is like an egg. But you first have to boil the egg for
    3 minutes..then remove the earth crust, and cut the egg in half and you
    will see the earth's core.


    The current thinking is that the universe is infinite in spatial extent,
    but only 13.7 billion years old. In consequence of its finite age, we
    can only see a finite amount of it.

    An infinite universe must be eternal.
    You need infinite time for an infinite universe to be formed.
    So the universe is an infinity in a time continuum.

    So whether it's really infinite in extent is not something we actually
    know, and can probably never know. We also don't know whether the
    physical laws are really the same everywhere. There could be variations
    that are too small to be detectable in the amount of the universe that
    we can see.

    In some ways, having physical laws that vary over the universe is philosophically attractive, because it could be an answer to why the
    laws we see seem so finely tuned to support our existence.

    Sylvia.

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Tue Oct 22 00:00:35 2024
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    kazu wrote:

    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or
    can there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??

    The earth is like an egg. But you first have to boil the egg for
    3 minutes..then remove the earth crust, and cut the egg in half and you will see the earth's core.


    Now I'm going to explain

    "is there something outside".

    You got the ocean water universe

    with all the fishes...

    pass the ocean water universe..

    you have You at the bottom of

    the ocean...an ocean of air..

    that is around the earth and

    you at the bottom of that

    air ocean walking on it's surface.

    In other words, you live in

    an ocean of air at the bottom

    of the ocean...the air ocean.

    Now, you go pass the air ocean..

    up, up, an up and you reach

    the no air ocean some call it space.

    A WHOLE ocean of no air or water.

    Now, to go

    outside

    of the no air ocean

    you have to pass

    what they call the dark matter...

    and you pass that ...dark, and

    you have reached

    "is there something outside".

    can there even be outside??

    It's outside the water
    outside the air
    outside the space


    Now, once you have passed

    outside the water
    outside the air
    outside the space

    you want to know
    What is there?

    you want to know
    "is there something outside"

    Of course there is!

    I can tell you
    exactly what it looks like..

    outside the water
    outside the air
    outside the space
    beyond the dark..

    is a ...dream.

    Have you ever closed
    your eye at night and
    all of a sudden
    in a split second

    you see light
    bright daylight
    images
    maybe
    a running stream
    leaves
    waterfalls
    and you open
    your eyes and
    it's dark again?

    Close your eyes again
    you see light
    bright daylight
    images
    maybe
    a running stream
    leaves
    waterfalls...

    beyond that ocean
    of no air
    beyond the darkness is...Light.

    Is space having a dream?









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    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Tue Oct 22 10:57:21 2024
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    kazu wrote:

    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or
    can there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??

    The earth is like an egg. But you first have to boil the egg for
    3 minutes..then remove the earth crust, and cut the egg in half and you will see the earth's core.


    Now I'm going to explain

    "is there something outside".

    You got the ocean water universe

    with all the fishes...

    pass the ocean water universe..

    you have You at the bottom of

    the ocean...an ocean of air..

    that is around the earth and

    you at the bottom of that

    air ocean walking on it's surface.

    In other words, you live in

    an ocean of air at the bottom

    of the ocean...the air ocean.

    Now, you go pass the air ocean..

    up, up, an up and you reach

    the no air ocean some call it space.

    A WHOLE ocean of no air or water.

    Now, to go

    outside

    of the no air ocean

    you have to pass

    what they call the dark matter...

    and you pass that ...dark, and

    you have reached

    "is there something outside".

    can there even be outside??

    It's outside the water
    outside the air
    outside the space

    Now, once you have passed

    outside the water
    outside the air
    outside the space

    you want to know
    What is there?

    you want to know
    "is there something outside"

    Of course there is!

    I can tell you
    exactly what it looks like..

    outside the water
    outside the air
    outside the space
    beyond the dark..

    is a ...dream.

    Have you ever closed
    your eye at night and
    all of a sudden
    in a split second

    you see light
    bright daylight
    images
    maybe
    a running stream
    leaves
    waterfalls
    and you open
    your eyes and
    it's dark again?

    Close your eyes again
    you see light
    bright daylight
    images
    maybe
    a running stream
    leaves
    waterfalls...

    beyond that ocean
    of no air
    beyond the darkness is...Light.



    Now, before the big bang..
    there was what you may call
    a quantumn event...

    light popped in.







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    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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  • From x@21:1/5 to kazu on Wed Oct 23 10:07:37 2024
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    On 10/19/24 12:03, kazu wrote:
    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or can
    there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??

    Do minds undergo a health or disease process similar to
    the bodies of plants and animals?

    Or is a healthy idea different from a true idea and
    a diseased idea is different from a false idea?

    This is your brain. This is your brain on physics.

    Brain sizzles in frying pan.

    Yes - one thing is certain. Modern physics is a
    mental disease.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to x@x.org on Wed Oct 23 10:52:17 2024
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    In sci.physics x <x@x.org> wrote:
    On 10/19/24 12:03, kazu wrote:
    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or can
    there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??

    Do minds undergo a health or disease process similar to
    the bodies of plants and animals?

    Or is a healthy idea different from a true idea and
    a diseased idea is different from a false idea?

    This is your brain. This is your brain on physics.

    Brain sizzles in frying pan.

    Yes - one thing is certain. Modern physics is a
    mental disease.


    Yep, according to crackpots...

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 23 20:44:02 2024
    W dniu 23.10.2024 o 19:52, Jim Pennino pisze:
    In sci.physics x <x@x.org> wrote:
    On 10/19/24 12:03, kazu wrote:
    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or can
    there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??

    Do minds undergo a health or disease process similar to
    the bodies of plants and animals?

    Or is a healthy idea different from a true idea and
    a diseased idea is different from a false idea?

    This is your brain. This is your brain on physics.

    Brain sizzles in frying pan.

    Yes - one thing is certain. Modern physics is a
    mental disease.


    Yep, according to crackpots...



    - It's not just me and my idiot guru saying!
    It's MUONS!!! And EXPERIMENTS!!! And the
    overwhelming majority saying!!!!!

    - but experiments can't speak and the
    overwhelming majority is not even aware
    of your idiocies...

    - UUUU!!! UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!! UUUUUUUUUU!!!!
    PLONK!!!!!

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  • From kazu@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Fri Oct 25 18:57:44 2024
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 21-Oct-24 1:40 am, The Starmaker wrote:
    kazu wrote:

    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or
    can there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??


    The earth is like an egg. But you first have to boil the egg for
    3 minutes..then remove the earth crust, and cut the egg in half
    and you
    will see the earth's core.


    The current thinking is that the universe is infinite in spatial
    extent, but only 13.7 billion years old. In consequence of its
    finite age, we can only see a finite amount of it.

    So whether it's really infinite in extent is not something we
    actually know, and can probably never know. We also don't know
    whether the physical laws are really the same everywhere. There
    could be variations that are too small to be detectable in the
    amount of the universe that we can see.

    In some ways, having physical laws that vary over the universe is philosophically attractive, because it could be an answer to why
    the laws we see seem so finely tuned to support our existence.

    Sylvia.


    maybe the fine tuning observation may go the way of aether with a
    better theory? i cannot believe this universe is special or
    privileged or even we as a species.

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  • From kazu@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 19:00:27 2024
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    x wrote:
    On 10/19/24 12:03, kazu wrote:
    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or
    can there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??

    Do minds undergo a health or disease process similar to
    the bodies of plants and animals?


    yeah its called neuro-degeneration, like alzehimers and parkinsons.


    Or is a healthy idea different from a true idea and
    a diseased idea is different from a false idea?


    healthy idea = making falsifiable predictions.

    diseased idea = not falsifiable as it predicts everything and
    nothing.


    This is your brain.  This is your brain on physics.

    Brain sizzles in frying pan.

    Yes - one thing is certain.  Modern physics is a
    mental disease.


    as opposed what not being a mental disease?

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  • From Bertietaylor@21:1/5 to kazu on Fri Oct 25 22:54:15 2024
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 19:00:27 +0000, kazu wrote:

    x wrote:
    On 10/19/24 12:03, kazu wrote:
    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or
    can there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??

    Do minds undergo a health or disease process similar to
    the bodies of plants and animals?


    yeah its called neuro-degeneration, like alzehimers and parkinsons.


    Or is a healthy idea different from a true idea and
    a diseased idea is different from a false idea?


    healthy idea = making falsifiable predictions.

    diseased idea = not falsifiable as it predicts everything and
    nothing.


    This is your brain.  This is your brain on physics.

    Brain sizzles in frying pan.

    Yes - one thing is certain.  Modern physics is a
    mental disease.


    as opposed what not being a mental disease?

    Having enough sense left for cure by Arindam's physics.

    Woof-woof
    Bertietaylor

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sat Oct 26 01:02:52 2024
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    kazu wrote:

    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or
    can there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??

    The earth is like an egg. But you first have to boil the egg for
    3 minutes..then remove the earth crust, and cut the egg in half and you will see the earth's core.


    Now I'm going to explain

    "is there something outside".

    You got the ocean water universe

    with all the fishes...

    pass the ocean water universe..

    you have You at the bottom of

    the ocean...an ocean of air..

    that is around the earth and

    you at the bottom of that

    air ocean walking on it's surface.

    In other words, you live in

    an ocean of air at the bottom

    of the ocean...the air ocean.

    Now, you go pass the air ocean..

    up, up, an up and you reach

    the no air ocean some call it space.

    A WHOLE ocean of no air or water.

    Now, to go

    outside

    of the no air ocean

    you have to pass

    what they call the dark matter...

    and you pass that ...dark, and

    you have reached

    "is there something outside".

    can there even be outside??

    It's outside the water
    outside the air
    outside the space

    Now, once you have passed

    outside the water
    outside the air
    outside the space

    you want to know
    What is there?

    you want to know
    "is there something outside"

    Of course there is!

    I can tell you
    exactly what it looks like..

    outside the water
    outside the air
    outside the space
    beyond the dark..

    is a ...dream.

    Have you ever closed
    your eye at night and
    all of a sudden
    in a split second

    you see light
    bright daylight
    images
    maybe
    a running stream
    leaves
    waterfalls
    and you open
    your eyes and
    it's dark again?

    Close your eyes again
    you see light
    bright daylight
    images
    maybe
    a running stream
    leaves
    waterfalls...

    beyond that ocean
    of no air
    beyond the darkness is...Light.


    Now, before the big bang..
    there was what you may call
    a quantumn event...

    light popped in.


    I can draw you a picture of exactly how it looked BEFORE the big bang...the very first moment trillions of years before the big bang<-


    .





    Now, the very next moment:




    . .



    Now, the very next moment:




    . .


    .





    Now, the very next moment:






    . .



    . .



    Now, the very next moments:



    . . . .



    . . . .



    . . . .



    . . . .



    . . . .



    . . . .



    . . . .



    . . . .



    . . . .



    . . . .



    . .



    . . . .



    . .



    Now, around trillions years later, a few seconds after the big bang



    '
    * .
    * '
    * *







    * *
    *
    *
    *
    *
    *





    There is the proof of before and after the big bang.

    first order, than chaos...


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  • From x@21:1/5 to kazu on Sun Oct 27 06:01:25 2024
    On 10/25/24 12:00, kazu wrote:
    x wrote:
    On 10/19/24 12:03, kazu wrote:
    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or can
    there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??

    Do minds undergo a health or disease process similar to
    the bodies of plants and animals?

    yeah its called neuro-degeneration, like alzehimers and parkinsons.

    Strangely enough you failed to understand this basic
    train of ideas.

    There is hardware and software in computers.

    Then there are brains in the bodies of many
    animals. Many people however confuse the
    term mind with brain. It is not obvious
    how many people regularly confuse the terms
    hardware and software or seem totally without
    comprehension of how the two might be different
    or similar when it comes to hardware and software
    in computers.

    You response has the look and feel of you being
    unable to comprehend that mind and brain could
    have two different meanings.

    Do you understand the terms 'hardware' and
    'software' with computers? Do you think they
    could potentially have different meanings from
    each other in some circumstances?

    Or is a healthy idea different from a true idea and
    a diseased idea is different from a false idea?


    healthy idea = making falsifiable predictions.

    diseased idea = not falsifiable as it predicts everything and nothing.


    This is your brain.  This is your brain on physics.

    Brain sizzles in frying pan.

    Yes - one thing is certain.  Modern physics is a
    mental disease.


    as opposed what not being a mental disease?



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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to Chris M. Thomasson on Mon Oct 28 07:59:23 2024
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity

    Chris M. Thomasson wrote:

    On 10/19/2024 11:30 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    kazu wrote:

    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside? or
    can there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??


    What would your answer be if a fish in the ocean would ask you the same question?

    A fish tank is a submarine for fish? lol. I heard that on some movie.



    i see where your mandlebot designs come from now...

    ypu live in a Yellow Submarine..

    you're a ...hippie!


    don't boart dat joint..
    pass it over to me.


    dats heavy man

    got any more freaked out designs?

    wait, let me get my flouresant lamp..

    far out man

    Wow, 2 ss's in Thomasson, dat is soooo freaked out!!!! men in trees?
    monkies in cities?? fishes in submarines!!


    i walk into a pet shop
    "I need a submarine."

    "What color?"






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  • From kazu@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 1 10:19:40 2024
    x wrote:
    On 10/25/24 12:00, kazu wrote:
    x wrote:
    On 10/19/24 12:03, kazu wrote:
    essentially what i am asking is, is there something outside?
    or can there even be outside??

    is the universe like an egg and we are the yoke??

    Do minds undergo a health or disease process similar to
    the bodies of plants and animals?

    yeah its called neuro-degeneration, like alzehimers and
    parkinsons.

    Strangely enough you failed to understand this basic
    train of ideas.

    There is hardware and software in computers.

    Then there are brains in the bodies of many
    animals.  Many people however confuse the
    term mind with brain.  It is not obvious
    how many people regularly confuse the terms
    hardware and software or seem totally without
    comprehension of how the two might be different
    or similar when it comes to hardware and software
    in computers.

    You response has the look and feel of you being
    unable to comprehend that mind and brain could
    have two different meanings.

    Do you understand the terms 'hardware' and
    'software' with computers?  Do you think they
    could potentially have different meanings from
    each other in some circumstances?


    so far, we have not been able to separate the brain from the
    mind, i understand that what we perceive as the mind is an
    emergent property of the underlying structure, but so far, our
    knowledge is limited enough, that we cannot separate the brain
    from the mind, except as abstract thought experiments.

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