• Arindam Banerjee's peer-reviewed 2013 paper

    From David Canzi@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 6 14:35:48 2024
    Recently Arin... er... Bertie Taylor posted the following:

    | Concluding lines from a peer-reviewed 2013 paper by Arindam Banerjee
    | (related to his PhD work)
    |
    | The current literature does not satisfactorily resolve theoretical and
    | experimental results as regards the recoil in rail guns. This is an
    | important issue to resolve as there are new and valuable applications
    | possible if recoil does not occur.
    | In the past, rail gun research was used for military purposes, and this
    | trend continues. The stress was on making very high velocity
    | projectiles, for such purposes as knocking out incoming enemy missiles.
    | The lack of recoil in rail guns, as opposed to coil guns, has long been
    | noted.

    I did a Google search for "lack of recoil in rail guns" and found
    three hits. One in groups.google.com, one in archive.org, and one
    in alixus.wordpress.com. None of these sites appear to require
    peer review before they publish. I tried the same search in Google
    Scholar and got nothing.

    If the lack of recoil in rail guns has long been noted, it has long
    been noted by very few people. Some people are just chronically
    wrong, and their persistence is not evidence that they're right.

    --
    David Canzi

    Humanity's survival may depend on answering the
    question, "how can we deprogram a country?"

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to David Canzi on Fri Dec 6 14:07:49 2024
    David Canzi <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
    Recently Arin... er... Bertie Taylor posted the following:

    | Concluding lines from a peer-reviewed 2013 paper by Arindam Banerjee
    | (related to his PhD work)
    |
    | The current literature does not satisfactorily resolve theoretical and
    | experimental results as regards the recoil in rail guns. This is an
    | important issue to resolve as there are new and valuable applications
    | possible if recoil does not occur.
    | In the past, rail gun research was used for military purposes, and this
    | trend continues. The stress was on making very high velocity
    | projectiles, for such purposes as knocking out incoming enemy missiles.
    | The lack of recoil in rail guns, as opposed to coil guns, has long been
    | noted.

    I did a Google search for "lack of recoil in rail guns" and found
    three hits. One in groups.google.com, one in archive.org, and one
    in alixus.wordpress.com. None of these sites appear to require
    peer review before they publish. I tried the same search in Google
    Scholar and got nothing.

    If the lack of recoil in rail guns has long been noted, it has long
    been noted by very few people. Some people are just chronically
    wrong, and their persistence is not evidence that they're right.

    The US Army has spent over $150 million and the US Navy has spent over
    $500 million on railguns and all of them had LOTS of recoil.

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  • From Bertietaylor@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 7 00:12:58 2024
    Lousy research skills by Einsteinians on display!

    True that Arindam's 2013 conference paper was rejected by Europeans but
    was accepted by the Chinese, Koreans and the Japanese reviewers. In 2016 Arindam did realise the experiment he had described in the 2013 paper.
    However the faculty at RMIT stabbed him in the back. They denied that
    Arindam had made a working model of a new design rail gun, and failed
    Arindam at his final PhD viva. Arindam then continued entirely on his
    own and in 2017 posted online a full set of YouTube videos with complete details. In later years he made more powerful guns and developed the new theory, got more powerful capacitors to show inertia violation very
    clearly. This proving his new physics started back in 1998.

    Quite an East-West thingy, that!

    Anyway, the Japanese and Chinese are making 600km/hr trains, wonderful
    tech there while the West is having social issues on one hand and denial
    of Arindam on the other.

    Woof-woof woof woof woof woof woof woof woof

    What fools these apes be!

    Bertietaylor

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Bertietaylor on Fri Dec 6 17:05:45 2024
    Bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:

    <snip delusional babble>

    Anyway, the Japanese and Chinese are making 600km/hr trains,

    The world's fastest operational train has a top speed of 460 km/h, crackpot.

    The world's fastest experimental train on a test track is 603 km/h.

    <snip remaining delusional babble>

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  • From Bertietaylor@21:1/5 to David Canzi on Sat Dec 7 03:05:05 2024
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 19:35:48 +0000, David Canzi wrote:

    Recently Arin... er... Bertie Taylor posted the following:

    | Concluding lines from a peer-reviewed 2013 paper by Arindam Banerjee
    | (related to his PhD work)
    |
    | The current literature does not satisfactorily resolve theoretical
    and
    | experimental results as regards the recoil in rail guns. This is an
    | important issue to resolve as there are new and valuable applications
    | possible if recoil does not occur.
    | In the past, rail gun research was used for military purposes, and
    this
    | trend continues. The stress was on making very high velocity
    | projectiles, for such purposes as knocking out incoming enemy
    missiles.
    | The lack of recoil in rail guns, as opposed to coil guns, has long
    been
    | noted.

    I did a Google search for "lack of recoil in rail guns" and found
    three hits. One in groups.google.com, one in archive.org, and one
    in alixus.wordpress.com. None of these sites appear to require
    peer review before they publish. I tried the same search in Google
    Scholar and got nothing.

    Try searching with Arindam Banerjee rail gun recoil ICEMS 2013

    If the lack of recoil in rail guns has long been noted, it has long
    been noted by very few people. Some people are just chronically
    wrong, and their persistence is not evidence that they're right.

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to Jim Pennino on Sat Dec 7 05:00:01 2024
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 22:07:49 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

    David Canzi <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
    Recently Arin... er... Bertie Taylor posted the following:

    | Concluding lines from a peer-reviewed 2013 paper by Arindam Banerjee
    | (related to his PhD work)
    |
    | The current literature does not satisfactorily resolve theoretical
    and
    | experimental results as regards the recoil in rail guns. This is an
    | important issue to resolve as there are new and valuable applications
    | possible if recoil does not occur.
    | In the past, rail gun research was used for military purposes, and
    this
    | trend continues. The stress was on making very high velocity
    | projectiles, for such purposes as knocking out incoming enemy
    missiles.
    | The lack of recoil in rail guns, as opposed to coil guns, has long
    been
    | noted.

    I did a Google search for "lack of recoil in rail guns" and found
    three hits. One in groups.google.com, one in archive.org, and one
    in alixus.wordpress.com. None of these sites appear to require
    peer review before they publish. I tried the same search in Google
    Scholar and got nothing.

    If the lack of recoil in rail guns has long been noted, it has long
    been noted by very few people. Some people are just chronically
    wrong, and their persistence is not evidence that they're right.

    The US Army has spent over $150 million and the US Navy has spent over
    $500 million on railguns and all of them had LOTS of recoil.

    They spent lots more and even equipped some ships with rail guns. Then
    they found the barrels wore out, and it needed too much power. Their
    design was bad, Arindam's design is roughly 100 times better looked at
    all ways. See, how the ape-mind works: they could not get out of the cylindrical barrel shape!!!!

    No, it was a matter of research for the US Navy to check out recoil.

    https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/6754516

    Get that paper and check out the references.

    Woof-woof
    Bertietaylor

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Bertietaylor on Fri Dec 6 20:27:10 2024
    Bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 19:35:48 +0000, David Canzi wrote:

    Recently Arin... er... Bertie Taylor posted the following:

    | Concluding lines from a peer-reviewed 2013 paper by Arindam Banerjee
    | (related to his PhD work)
    |
    | The current literature does not satisfactorily resolve theoretical
    and
    | experimental results as regards the recoil in rail guns. This is an
    | important issue to resolve as there are new and valuable applications
    | possible if recoil does not occur.
    | In the past, rail gun research was used for military purposes, and
    this
    | trend continues. The stress was on making very high velocity
    | projectiles, for such purposes as knocking out incoming enemy
    missiles.
    | The lack of recoil in rail guns, as opposed to coil guns, has long
    been
    | noted.

    I did a Google search for "lack of recoil in rail guns" and found
    three hits. One in groups.google.com, one in archive.org, and one
    in alixus.wordpress.com. None of these sites appear to require
    peer review before they publish. I tried the same search in Google
    Scholar and got nothing.

    Try searching with Arindam Banerjee rail gun recoil ICEMS 2013

    All your "papers" babble on about a static case where the projectile, or whatever you want to call it, does not move.

    Of course there is no recoil in that case and such is blazingly obvious
    to anyone that knows anything about the laws of motion.

    Recoil occurs in a gun of any type because the projectile is ejected
    from the launching mechanize, whatever it may be.

    Your device doesn't have recoil because it doesn't launch anything, the projectile, or pipe in your case, simply rolls off the end of your
    device hence there is no recoil.

    You also babble on about the friction of the projectile on the launching device, which is just nonsense. Any friction between the projectile and
    the launcher results in a force on the laucher that acts in the same
    direction as the projectile, while recoil is a force on the launcher
    that acts in the opposite direction of the projectile.

    To observer recoil, hold a garden hose pointing away from you and turn
    on the water. Observe that a force occurs that is pushing back at you.

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 7 05:04:11 2024
    Following are the references for Arindam's paper in ICEMS2013

    Of particular interest are 3, 4, 6, 11, 13, 14




    VII. REFERENCES
    1. Online News item: http://theweek.com/article/index/225044/railguns-the-navys-ultimate-superweapon 2. Online News item: http://io9.com/5892516/the-science-of-rail-guns
    3. M. Schroeder, “An investigation of the static force balance of a
    model railgun,” Master’s thesis, Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey,
    CA, 2007.
    4. M. Michael J. Putnam, “An Experimental Study Of Electromagnetic
    Lorentz Force And Rail Recoil,” Master’s thesis, Naval
    PostgraduateSchool, Monterey, CA, 2009.
    5. P. Graneau and Neal Graneau “Newtonian Electrodynamics”, World Scientific Publishing Co Pty Ltd, 1996
    6. E.A. Witalis, “Origin, location, magnitude and consequences of recoil
    in the plasma armature railgun” IEE Proc.-Sci. Meas. Technol., Vol. 142,
    No. 3, May 1995
    7. R.G.Mendiratta and B,K.Sawhney “Fundamentals of Electricity and Magnetism” East-West Press, 1976
    8. Halliday, David and Robert Resnick “Fundamentals of Physics (Part II) Second Wiley Eastern Private Limited, 1970.
    9. H.A. Lorentz, Electromagnetic phenomena in a system moving with any
    velocity smaller than that of light, in: KNAW, Proceedings, 6,
    1903-1904, Amsterdam, 1904, pp. 809-831
    10. R.P.Feynman, R.B.Leighton, M. Sands, “The Feynman Lectures on
    Physics”, vol 2, p27.8-27.9, Addison-Wesley, Reading, MA, 1964.
    11. C G Hodge, J O Flower, A Macalindin, “A Comparison of Co-Energy and Lorenz Force Based Simulations Of Rail Guns”
    978-1-4244-3439-8/09/$25.00 ©2009 IEEE
    12. Mikhail P. Galanin, Yury A. Khalimullin, Alexei P. Lototsky, and
    Konstantin K. Milyayev, 3-D Modeling of Electromagnetic Fields in
    Application to Electromagnetic Launchers, IEEE TRANSACTIONS ON
    MAGNETICS, VOL. 39, NO. 1, JANUARY 2003
    13. Eric L. Kathe, “Recoil Considerations for Railguns”, IEEE
    TRANSACTIONS ON MAGNETICS, VOL. 37, NO. 1, JANUARY 2001 425
    14. Zizhou Su, Wei Guo, Bin Cao, Yanhui Chen, Kai Huang, Xia Ge, “The
    Study of the Simple Breech-fed Railgun Recoil Force”
    978-1-4673-0305-7/12 / $ 31.00©2012.IEEE
    15. Farhana Mohamad Yusop, Mohamad Kamarol Mohd Jamil, Dahaman Ishak and Syafrudin Masri, “Study on the Electromagnetic Force Affected by Short-Circuit Current in Vertical and Horizontal Arrangement of Busbar System” International Conference on Electrical, Control and Computer Engineering Pahang, Malaysia, June 21-22, 2011
    16. Y.L.Bashkatov and G.A.Shvetsov, “General Energy Relations for Rail Guns” Zhurnal Prikladnoi Mekhaniki i Tekhnicheskoi Fiziki, No. 2, pp. 166-171, March-April, 1987.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to bertietaylor on Sat Dec 7 07:54:01 2024
    bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 22:07:49 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

    David Canzi <dmcanzi@uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
    Recently Arin... er... Bertie Taylor posted the following:

    | Concluding lines from a peer-reviewed 2013 paper by Arindam Banerjee
    | (related to his PhD work)
    |
    | The current literature does not satisfactorily resolve theoretical
    and
    | experimental results as regards the recoil in rail guns. This is an
    | important issue to resolve as there are new and valuable applications
    | possible if recoil does not occur.
    | In the past, rail gun research was used for military purposes, and
    this
    | trend continues. The stress was on making very high velocity
    | projectiles, for such purposes as knocking out incoming enemy
    missiles.
    | The lack of recoil in rail guns, as opposed to coil guns, has long
    been
    | noted.

    I did a Google search for "lack of recoil in rail guns" and found
    three hits. One in groups.google.com, one in archive.org, and one
    in alixus.wordpress.com. None of these sites appear to require
    peer review before they publish. I tried the same search in Google
    Scholar and got nothing.

    If the lack of recoil in rail guns has long been noted, it has long
    been noted by very few people. Some people are just chronically
    wrong, and their persistence is not evidence that they're right.

    The US Army has spent over $150 million and the US Navy has spent over
    $500 million on railguns and all of them had LOTS of recoil.

    They spent lots more and even equipped some ships with rail guns. Then
    they found the barrels wore out, and it needed too much power. Their
    design was bad, Arindam's design is roughly 100 times better looked at
    all ways.

    We have been over this before and "100 times better" is impossible,
    crackpot.

    See, how the ape-mind works: they could not get out of the
    cylindrical barrel shape!!!!

    Which just once again shows how little you know about real railguns,
    crackpot.

    No, it was a matter of research for the US Navy to check out recoil.

    Yes, both the Army and Navy investigated recoil as it was feared that
    the recoil in some cases would be too great for some types of lighter
    vehicles such as small tanks, crackpot.


    https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/6754516

    And again, you babble about "the static case, where the armature or
    projectile does not move" where it is obvious to anyone that actually understands the laws of motion knows there is no recoil, crackpot.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to bertietaylor on Sat Dec 7 07:57:01 2024
    bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    Following are the references for Arindam's paper in ICEMS2013

    Where is the raw data, data analysis, and math for your device,
    crackpot?

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Bertietaylor on Sat Dec 7 07:55:37 2024
    Bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    Arindam’s new design rail gun working model launches a projectile
    with more momentum than most rifle bullets.

    Your device does not launch anything, it just makes a pipe slowly roll
    of the end of your device, crackpot.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Bertietaylor on Sat Dec 7 09:33:24 2024
    Bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 15:57:01 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

    bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    Following are the references for Arindam's paper in ICEMS2013

    Where is the raw data, data analysis, and math for your device,
    crackpot?

    Fools like you, Penisnino, are very many and they are hopeless being
    rude dumbfucks.

    Or in other words, you have no raw data, data analysis, or math, just
    videos of your feet and pipes slowly rolling off your device, crackpot.

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  • From Bertietaylor@21:1/5 to Jim Pennino on Sat Dec 7 17:23:09 2024
    On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 15:57:01 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

    bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    Following are the references for Arindam's paper in ICEMS2013

    Where is the raw data, data analysis, and math for your device,
    crackpot?

    Fools like you, Penisnino, are very many and they are hopeless being
    rude dumbfucks.
    Never worth anything save some mirth, the Penisnino here.
    No point wasting time with the p*, the lowliest flunkey of the most
    deplorable Einsteinian mafias.

    Woof-woof woof woof-woof woof woof-woof woof

    Bertietaylor

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  • From Bertietaylor@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 7 08:40:08 2024
    Arindam’s new design rail gun working model launches a projectile
    with more momentum than most rifle bullets.

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  • From David Canzi@21:1/5 to Bertietaylor on Sun Dec 8 14:03:20 2024
    On 12/6/24 19:12, Bertietaylor wrote:
    Lousy research skills by Einsteinians on display!

    For some reason, you edited out everything I said, so it is not on
    display. Maybe you don't really want it to be on display, hmm?

    True that Arindam's 2013 conference paper was rejected by Europeans but
    was accepted by the Chinese, Koreans and the Japanese reviewers. In 2016 Arindam did realise the experiment he had described in the 2013 paper. However the faculty at RMIT stabbed him in the back. They denied that
    Arindam had made a working model of a new design rail gun, and failed
    Arindam at his final PhD viva. Arindam then continued entirely on his
    own and in 2017 posted online a full set of YouTube videos with complete details. In later years he made more powerful guns and developed the new theory, got more powerful capacitors to show inertia violation very
    clearly. This proving his new physics started back in 1998.

    I was responding to the claim that rail guns don't recoil. Nobody
    reading your response to me would know that because you edited out
    what I said.

    A rail gun can be seen clearly recoiling in the video at this URL:

    https://www.facebook.com/100000534193755/videos/350814810783223

    Quite an East-West thingy, that!

    Anyway, the Japanese and Chinese are making 600km/hr trains,

    Do these marvelous trains break conservation of momentum? If not,
    then how are they relevant?

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  • From Bertietaylor@21:1/5 to David Canzi on Mon Dec 9 02:50:20 2024
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 19:03:20 +0000, David Canzi wrote:

    On 12/6/24 19:12, Bertietaylor wrote:
    Lousy research skills by Einsteinians on display!

    For some reason, you edited out everything I said, so it is not on
    display. Maybe you don't really want it to be on display, hmm?

    It is not necessary to repost what has already been posted. Anyone can
    follow a thread to see what was written earlier.

    True that Arindam's 2013 conference paper was rejected by Europeans but
    was accepted by the Chinese, Koreans and the Japanese reviewers. In 2016
    Arindam did realise the experiment he had described in the 2013 paper.
    However the faculty at RMIT stabbed him in the back. They denied that
    Arindam had made a working model of a new design rail gun, and failed
    Arindam at his final PhD viva. Arindam then continued entirely on his
    own and in 2017 posted online a full set of YouTube videos with complete
    details. In later years he made more powerful guns and developed the new
    theory, got more powerful capacitors to show inertia violation very
    clearly. This proving his new physics started back in 1998.

    I was responding to the claim that rail guns don't recoil.

    That is not entirely correct. The claim is that the electromagnetic
    force accelerating the armature - under certain conditions - does NOT
    have an equal and opposite reaction. Now mechanical force is needed to
    launch the projectile upon the rails. That force has a reaction of
    course. The recoil seen on videos is the reaction from the mechanical component.



    Nobody
    reading your response to me would know that because you edited out
    what I said.


    They could always read what you said then, nothing to stop them. Thanks
    for your interest.

    A rail gun can be seen clearly recoiling in the video at this URL:

    https://www.facebook.com/100000534193755/videos/350814810783223

    Thanks for making our earlier point. Indeed a spring pushes the armature
    on the rails causing the recoil you talk about. Purely mechanical that.

    But the fun starts after that. The em force accelerates the armature and
    to begin with the rolling friction on the rails keep on pushing the gun
    back. Had it been sliding this would not happen. Making it slide instead
    of roll would need more resources than Arindam can manage. However we
    note that this reaction is also mechanical. Like a treadmill.

    Now when the armature is moving fast the rolling friction reaction gets
    much less. It just shoots through with the electromagnetic force and to
    that there is no equal and opposite reaction.

    Because such is the case, the momentum of the armature exceeds that of
    the gun at the time the armature is arrested at the muzzle end as shown
    in the video. The backwards motion is not just arrested. The whole
    system moves forward. In outer space with no retardation from any matter
    it would keep on moving.

    In Arindam's video the centre of mass for the whole system clearly keeps
    on shifting. Had the armature not arrested the gun, or had this
    experiment been done in a frictionless environment, then the gun would
    keep on moving.

    Arindam has provided all the data and graphs for the railgun experiments
    online in Facebook and Usenet and YouTube. Clearly the centre of mass
    shifts with internal force in every experiment. The pendulum experiments
    with the gun in the 2017 videos show third law violation while the motor
    mode shows first law violation.

    Question is, how long will the scientific community remain in denial
    about this experiment. When will they publicly and universally repeat
    it?



    Quite an East-West thingy, that!

    Anyway, the Japanese and Chinese are making 600km/hr trains,

    Do these marvelous trains break conservation of momentum? If not,
    then how are they relevant?

    Just showing that the biased, arrogant, decadent West is not relevant to
    the unapologetic brown Hindu Arindam whose chances for recognition are
    better in the East.

    Woof-woof woof woof woof woof-woof

    Bertietaylor

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Bertietaylor on Sun Dec 8 19:43:44 2024
    Bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 19:03:20 +0000, David Canzi wrote:

    On 12/6/24 19:12, Bertietaylor wrote:
    Lousy research skills by Einsteinians on display!

    For some reason, you edited out everything I said, so it is not on
    display. Maybe you don't really want it to be on display, hmm?

    It is not necessary to repost what has already been posted. Anyone can
    follow a thread to see what was written earlier.

    True that Arindam's 2013 conference paper was rejected by Europeans but
    was accepted by the Chinese, Koreans and the Japanese reviewers. In 2016 >>> Arindam did realise the experiment he had described in the 2013 paper.
    However the faculty at RMIT stabbed him in the back. They denied that
    Arindam had made a working model of a new design rail gun, and failed
    Arindam at his final PhD viva. Arindam then continued entirely on his
    own and in 2017 posted online a full set of YouTube videos with complete >>> details. In later years he made more powerful guns and developed the new >>> theory, got more powerful capacitors to show inertia violation very
    clearly. This proving his new physics started back in 1998.

    I was responding to the claim that rail guns don't recoil.

    That is not entirely correct. The claim is that the electromagnetic
    force accelerating the armature - under certain conditions - does NOT
    have an equal and opposite reaction. Now mechanical force is needed to
    launch the projectile upon the rails. That force has a reaction of
    course. The recoil seen on videos is the reaction from the mechanical component.

    There is no mechanical force in a railgun, all the force is
    electromagnetic, crackpot.

    <snip.

    But the fun starts after that. The em force accelerates the armature and
    to begin with the rolling friction on the rails keep on pushing the gun
    back. Had it been sliding this would not happen.

    Friction would pull the "gun" forward with the projectile, cracpot.

    <snip remaining insane babble>

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  • From Bertietaylor@21:1/5 to David Canzi on Mon Dec 9 05:22:12 2024
    On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 19:35:48 +0000, David Canzi wrote:

    Recently Arin... er... Bertie Taylor posted the following:

    | Concluding lines from a peer-reviewed 2013 paper by Arindam Banerjee
    | (related to his PhD work)
    |
    | The current literature does not satisfactorily resolve theoretical
    and
    | experimental results as regards the recoil in rail guns. This is an
    | important issue to resolve as there are new and valuable applications
    | possible if recoil does not occur.
    | In the past, rail gun research was used for military purposes, and
    this
    | trend continues. The stress was on making very high velocity
    | projectiles, for such purposes as knocking out incoming enemy
    missiles.
    | The lack of recoil in rail guns, as opposed to coil guns, has long
    been
    | noted.

    I did a Google search for "lack of recoil in rail guns" and found
    three hits. One in groups.google.com, one in archive.org, and one
    in alixus.wordpress.com. None of these sites appear to require
    peer review before they publish. I tried the same search in Google
    Scholar and got nothing.

    You should have better luck with keywords like recoil in railguns. In
    Arindam's 2013 paper there are references which are mentioned in another
    post in this thread.

    If the lack of recoil in rail guns has long been noted, it has long
    been noted by very few people.

    Wrong, US Navy engineers have noted this. Ref. Lt Schroeder and Lt
    Putnam. Their theses are or were online.




    Some people are just chronically
    wrong, and their persistence is not evidence that they're right.

    All Einsteinians are absurdly wrong, and their dominance does not prove
    them correct.

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to Jim Pennino on Mon Dec 9 09:16:41 2024
    On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 3:43:44 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

    Bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 19:03:20 +0000, David Canzi wrote:

    On 12/6/24 19:12, Bertietaylor wrote:
    Lousy research skills by Einsteinians on display!

    For some reason, you edited out everything I said, so it is not on
    display. Maybe you don't really want it to be on display, hmm?

    It is not necessary to repost what has already been posted. Anyone can
    follow a thread to see what was written earlier.

    True that Arindam's 2013 conference paper was rejected by Europeans but >>>> was accepted by the Chinese, Koreans and the Japanese reviewers. In 2016 >>>> Arindam did realise the experiment he had described in the 2013 paper. >>>> However the faculty at RMIT stabbed him in the back. They denied that
    Arindam had made a working model of a new design rail gun, and failed
    Arindam at his final PhD viva. Arindam then continued entirely on his
    own and in 2017 posted online a full set of YouTube videos with complete >>>> details. In later years he made more powerful guns and developed the new >>>> theory, got more powerful capacitors to show inertia violation very
    clearly. This proving his new physics started back in 1998.

    I was responding to the claim that rail guns don't recoil.

    That is not entirely correct. The claim is that the electromagnetic
    force accelerating the armature - under certain conditions - does NOT
    have an equal and opposite reaction. Now mechanical force is needed to
    launch the projectile upon the rails. That force has a reaction of
    course. The recoil seen on videos is the reaction from the mechanical
    component.

    There is no mechanical force in a railgun, all the force is
    electromagnetic, crackpot.

    Not so, penisnono Penisnino. If you just put 1000000 amps through a
    static bullet it will just weld, melt. You have to give it an initial
    velocity through mechanical or chemical or magnetic means, and all those
    have the smallish recoil one can see in practical rail guns, including Arindam's.



    <snip.

    What a penisnono thing to do!

    But the fun starts after that. The em force accelerates the armature and
    to begin with the rolling friction on the rails keep on pushing the gun
    back. Had it been sliding this would not happen.

    Friction would pull the "gun" forward with the projectile, cracpot.

    Not so, penisnono Penisnino. Rolling friction on the rails provide the treadmill action on it to push it backwards, which is what happens in
    Arindam's railgun.

    As said earlier, if the bullet was sliding instead of rolling, then
    there would not be the treadmill action, no recoil that way - and indeed
    you are right for once, albeit by fluke, for wonders will never cease,
    the gun would move forward. But, penisnono, do check that the armature
    is rolling on the gun, and rolling friction pushes the gun backwards
    till the speed of the armature is such, it shoots forward with the em
    force with little friction, gaining momentum, more than the backward
    momentum. The momentum imbalance causes the whole system to go forward
    with a given velocity.


    Arindam has worked it all out on a frame by frame basis and showed the
    actual values involved, like how much net velocity from the inertia
    violation.

    So the question remains - WILL TRUMP HAVE THE BALLS TO ASK HIS
    SCIENTISTS TO REPEAT ARINDAM'S FANTASTIC FABULOUS BRILLIANT MOST
    ORIGINAL GREATEST GENIUS EXPERIMENT, or will he keep on listening to the Einsteinian penisnonos?

    Note penisnono = (c*t)

    <snip remaining insane babble>

    Typical penisnono attitude from Penisnino.

    Woof woof woof woof woof woof

    What fools these apes be!

    Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 9 10:28:55 2024
    Woof-woof, Arindam allowed me to post the background info. about rail
    guns in his 2013 seminal paper on the rail gun.



    Arindam Banerjee and Dr. P J Radcliffe
    School of Electrical and Computer Engineering
    Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology
    Melbourne, Australia




    Abstract—Recent experimental work on model rail guns shows very little
    recoil upon the rails for the static case, where the armature or
    projectile does not move. This appears to be a direct violation of
    Newton’s Third Law of Motion, and has been mentioned as being such by
    the experimenters. This paper proposes computer simulation exercises and
    a new, simple, comprehensive and conclusive experiment to test the
    nature of recoil for the dynamic case, where the armature does move in a
    model rail gun. The outcome of such experiments will either show a
    definite, visible and repeatable violation of Newton’s Third Law of
    Motion; or solidify the accepted physics theories and obtain new
    insights into the nature of recoil from rail guns as a closed system
    including the power source.
    Index Terms—recoil, railgun, matter, energy, force, Newton, Maxwell,
    Lorentz, Ampere, Coulomb

    I. INTRODUCTION
    Rail guns are an important technology for the future as they have many operational advantages such as no bulky and dangerous explosives with
    finite shelf life, very high bullet velocities, and can derive their
    energy from standard energy systems often found on large equipment such
    as ships and tanks. Rail guns have been constructed that project 17Kg
    masses exceeding Mach 7 as an exit velocity and higher speeds may be
    possible [1]. By 2025 it is expected that the US navy will be equipped
    with rail guns [2]. A range of potential commercial applications
    (notably in space, mining and civil engineering) could take advantage of
    new rail gun technology.
    Essentially a rail gun is composed of two parallel conducting rails. A
    large current is passed through them via a sliding short circuit
    component which is the armature (the projectile or bullet) that
    accelerates very fast in a field whose magnitude is proportional to the
    square of the current. (Figure 1)
    There remains considerable controversy as regards the nature or reason
    for recoil on the rail gun and this needs thorough investigation to
    ensure the rail gun design including its mechanical mounting options is optimized. Work on static-armature model rail guns, where the armature
    is held fixed appears to detect no recoil force on the breech or on the
    rails; apparently contradicting fundamental physical laws. There has
    been no reported dynamic testing of rail guns to measure the recoil thus leaving a considerable hole in the body of knowledge.
    Following the thorough experimental work done by Schroder [3] which was followed up by Putnam [4], there seems no reason to doubt that there is
    only around 1% of the predicted mechanical reaction directed oppositely
    to the action force on the static armature in the pendulum-suspended
    model rail gun. However, it seems premature to claim that Newtonian laws
    of motion have been violated in this instance. The static tests were
    concerned simply with current in the rails and the armature; the
    conducting leads that carry the same current as the rails, along with
    the battery power source, that together with the rails and armature form
    the total current loop, have not been included in the experiment to find
    the location of the ultimate reaction. The reaction from the force on
    the armature could be present in the connection leads and the battery,
    so from the overall system point of view the proposed invalidity of the Newtonian laws of motion is debatable.
    There is a clear need for dynamic testing of a model rail gun that
    involves the entire current loop being investigated as a closed system.
    This could not only lead to the resolution of the above mentioned issue,
    but also provide definite answers to old controversies regarding the
    mechanical impact of electromagnetic fields upon current carrying
    conductors [5]. In the past this sort of approach was considered
    impractical [3],[6].
    II. THE ELECTRODYNAMICS INVOLVED IN RAIL GUNS
    The Newtonian thinking relating to every action having an equal and
    opposite reaction is valid in electrostatics, and is the basis of
    Coulomb’s law for the force of attraction and repulsion of static
    charges. The basic equations below are discussed in text books [7],[8].
    Graneau [5] deals in detail with the conflicting ideas in Newtonian and
    the later Maxwellian electrodynamics.
    F = q1q2r/(4πε0r2)….. (1)
    F is the vector force of attraction or repulsion between charges q1 and
    q2 separated by distance r in a vacuum, and r is the unit distance
    vector between the charges.
    This thinking ultimately depends upon the action-at-a-distance
    principle, which is also the prevalent basis of understanding
    gravitational forces. With moving charges in a conductor, that is to
    say, with a current, the Oersted-Ampere’s force equation for parallel conductors carrying currents being attracted or repelled became,
    effectively, an extension of Coulomb’s law. Thus, there was no
    violation of Newtonian principles. It was only when the Maxwellian
    concept of the electromagnetic field behaving as the means of conduction
    of energy from source to sink with the speed of light became prevalent,
    that the notion of a force acting upon a charged body without any
    reaction directly measurable, came to be seen as an apparent violation
    of Newtonian principles. Resulting from Maxwell’s work on the electromagnetic field theory of energy propagation at the speed of
    light, and elaborated upon by Grassman, Lorentz [9] and Einstein, is the Lorentz equation for finding the force upon a charged mass in an electromagnetic field, given by:
    F = q(E + v× B) …… (2)
    Here, F is the Lorentz force on the conductor in newtons, q is the
    coulomb charge in the conductor, E is the electric field as volts per
    meter, and v x B is the vector cross product of the charged particles’ average velocity in meters per second in the conductor with the local
    magnetic field expressed in teslas. While there is a force on the
    charged particle the equations do not predict any force on any other
    object. This would appear to violate the concept of an equal and
    opposite reaction; Newton's third law.
    The work of Graneau [5] clearly shows the heavy impact of Amperian equal-and-opposite forces at the junction of the armature and the rail, involving buckling of the rails with high currents. On the other hand,
    the work of Schroeder demonstrates very little mechanical reaction
    against the electromagnetic force on the armature directed to the rails,
    which suggests that the Newtonian concepts of equal and opposite
    reaction are being violated and perhaps Lorentz forces are at work.
    Graneau [8] mentions that energy must be “flying out” of the battery or electrical energy source, and that the mechanical reaction should
    ultimately be found around the source and the leads. He quotes Feynman:
    “So our “crazy” theory says that the electrons are getting their energy to generate heat because of the energy flowing into the wire from the
    field outside” [10].
    III. RAILGUN RECOIL: SIMULATION APPROACHES
    It should be possible with detailed finite element modeling to predict
    the outcome of static and dynamic performance in terms of forces and
    exit velocity taking into account the entire system along with its
    geometry. When matched with experimental results, they should go a long
    way to reconcile these contradictory approaches in electrodynamics. We
    present below our approaches for such modeling and experimentation.
    Earlier and more theoretical approaches to the issue have been made by
    Hodge et al and Galanin et al [11],[12]. These studies are complex but
    they have not lead to any experimental verification. There is a clear
    need for a straightforward theoretical approach, as clear and simple as possible, that will be tested by experiment.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to bertietaylor on Mon Dec 9 06:58:47 2024
    bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 3:43:44 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

    Bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 19:03:20 +0000, David Canzi wrote:

    On 12/6/24 19:12, Bertietaylor wrote:
    Lousy research skills by Einsteinians on display!

    For some reason, you edited out everything I said, so it is not on
    display. Maybe you don't really want it to be on display, hmm?

    It is not necessary to repost what has already been posted. Anyone can
    follow a thread to see what was written earlier.

    True that Arindam's 2013 conference paper was rejected by Europeans but >>>>> was accepted by the Chinese, Koreans and the Japanese reviewers. In 2016 >>>>> Arindam did realise the experiment he had described in the 2013 paper. >>>>> However the faculty at RMIT stabbed him in the back. They denied that >>>>> Arindam had made a working model of a new design rail gun, and failed >>>>> Arindam at his final PhD viva. Arindam then continued entirely on his >>>>> own and in 2017 posted online a full set of YouTube videos with complete >>>>> details. In later years he made more powerful guns and developed the new >>>>> theory, got more powerful capacitors to show inertia violation very
    clearly. This proving his new physics started back in 1998.

    I was responding to the claim that rail guns don't recoil.

    That is not entirely correct. The claim is that the electromagnetic
    force accelerating the armature - under certain conditions - does NOT
    have an equal and opposite reaction. Now mechanical force is needed to
    launch the projectile upon the rails. That force has a reaction of
    course. The recoil seen on videos is the reaction from the mechanical
    component.

    There is no mechanical force in a railgun, all the force is
    electromagnetic, crackpot.

    Not so, penisnono Penisnino. If you just put 1000000 amps through a
    static bullet it will just weld, melt. You have to give it an initial velocity through mechanical or chemical or magnetic means, and all those
    have the smallish recoil one can see in practical rail guns, including Arindam's.

    Nonsense.

    While there are hybrid railguns that use a plasma arc to fire
    non-conducting projectiles, a pure railgun has a conducting projectile
    and two or more conducting rails and ALL motion is due to electromagnetics, crackpot.

    It appears you have no clue how a railgun actually works, crackpot.

    <snip remaining utter nonsense>

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to David Canzi on Mon Dec 9 15:59:43 2024
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 19:03:20 +0000, David Canzi wrote:



    Anyway, the Japanese and Chinese are making 600km/hr trains,

    Do these marvelous trains break conservation of momentum?

    Let us see how they operate. Their operation was explained to Arindam
    Banerjee by the chief designer of Tokyo Railways in SMART2015
    conference, where Arindam chaired a session and that engineer gave a
    keynote address showing prototype trains going at 500+ Km/hr.

    There is supercooling causing very large superconducting currents on the
    sides of the trains, near to the outer "skin". A lot of energy goes into
    the supercooling and that is the main energy requirement. Upto 160 Km/hr
    the train runs on wheels, normally, but over that it takes off - there
    is magnetic levitation. Now how does that happen.

    The great engineer explained there were coils in the barriers just
    outside the train. As the huge currents passed through these coils, the magnetic field flux cutting across the coils created a voltage, which in
    turn created a current, which had its magnetic field, and that field
    acted upon the large current in the train, lifting it off the ground and
    also accelerating the train. When Arindam inquired closely, the engineer readily explained the orientation of the coils in the barriers and
    train, making it all happen.

    Now, with higher current there will be higher speed and higher lift -
    there is no theoretical limit to the speed of the maglev train. The
    Chinese are thinking in supersonic terms; only wind resistance is the
    block for there is no friction from the rails.

    Also, there being levitation, there is no mechanical reaction on the
    rails as in ordinary rail and road transport. Pure internal force makes
    this marvelous train move, and thus, it follows Arindam's new physics
    where the laws of motion are suitably revised taking electricity into
    account. The force is applied from the current within, using the
    magnetic field induced by it. There will be force applied on the
    barriers, from the magnetic field acting on the induced current, but as
    the barriers are grounded they will be stable. The acceleration will
    thus be continual, just as in any internal force engine. Yes, that will completely upset the law of conservation of momentum, as was predicted
    by Arindam back in 2000 in his book "To the Stars!" which was written
    under Bertie's adoring gaze.

    Woof woof woof woof

    Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to bertietaylor on Mon Dec 9 07:03:57 2024
    bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    Woof-woof, Arindam allowed me to post the background info. about rail
    guns in his 2013 seminal paper on the rail gun.



    Arindam Banerjee and Dr. P J Radcliffe
    School of Electrical and Computer Engineering
    Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology
    Melbourne, Australia




    Abstract—Recent experimental work on model rail guns shows very little recoil upon the rails for the static case, where the armature or
    projectile does not move.

    Of course there is no recoil in this case because recoil requires *MOTION*
    as in Newton's laws of *MOTION*, crackpot.

    It is clear you don't have a clue what Newton's laws mean, crackpot.

    <snip remaining babble all based on ignorant nonsense>

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  • From Bertietaylor@21:1/5 to Jim Pennino on Tue Dec 10 05:03:18 2024
    On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 15:03:57 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

    bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    Woof-woof, Arindam allowed me to post the background info. about rail
    guns in his 2013 seminal paper on the rail gun.



    Arindam Banerjee and Dr. P J Radcliffe
    School of Electrical and Computer Engineering
    Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology
    Melbourne, Australia




    Abstract—Recent experimental work on model rail guns shows very little
    recoil upon the rails for the static case, where the armature or
    projectile does not move.

    Of course there is no recoil in this case because recoil requires
    *MOTION*
    as in Newton's laws of *MOTION*, crackpot.

    Not so, ridiculous fool. Motion relates to velocity and momentum whereas
    recoil is a force measured by mass and acceleration.

    Earlier experiments using strain gauges to measure the force on armature
    had shown no recoil force on the rails. It was assumed that the recoil
    was taken up by the heavy batteries on the ground.

    Arindam made the power source off the ground and with the rails as one
    unit and verified lack of recoil in his first new design railgun
    experiment back in 2015. He made a complete set of videos explaining all
    in 2017. Those experiments conclusively proved third law violation. And
    first law violation. Out then with the conservation laws of momentum and energy, inertia and entropy. In with brave new world of reactionless
    internal force engines with Arindam's new physics.

    Woof-woof woof woof-woof woof woof-woof woof

    Bertietaylor






    It is clear you don't have a clue what Newton's laws mean, crackpot.

    <snip remaining babble all based on ignorant nonsense>

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  • From Bertietaylor@21:1/5 to Jim Pennino on Tue Dec 10 05:12:17 2024
    On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 14:58:47 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

    bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 3:43:44 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

    Bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 19:03:20 +0000, David Canzi wrote:

    On 12/6/24 19:12, Bertietaylor wrote:
    Lousy research skills by Einsteinians on display!

    For some reason, you edited out everything I said, so it is not on
    display. Maybe you don't really want it to be on display, hmm?

    It is not necessary to repost what has already been posted. Anyone can >>>> follow a thread to see what was written earlier.

    True that Arindam's 2013 conference paper was rejected by Europeans but >>>>>> was accepted by the Chinese, Koreans and the Japanese reviewers. In 2016 >>>>>> Arindam did realise the experiment he had described in the 2013 paper. >>>>>> However the faculty at RMIT stabbed him in the back. They denied that >>>>>> Arindam had made a working model of a new design rail gun, and failed >>>>>> Arindam at his final PhD viva. Arindam then continued entirely on his >>>>>> own and in 2017 posted online a full set of YouTube videos with complete >>>>>> details. In later years he made more powerful guns and developed the new >>>>>> theory, got more powerful capacitors to show inertia violation very >>>>>> clearly. This proving his new physics started back in 1998.

    I was responding to the claim that rail guns don't recoil.

    That is not entirely correct. The claim is that the electromagnetic
    force accelerating the armature - under certain conditions - does NOT
    have an equal and opposite reaction. Now mechanical force is needed to >>>> launch the projectile upon the rails. That force has a reaction of
    course. The recoil seen on videos is the reaction from the mechanical
    component.

    There is no mechanical force in a railgun, all the force is
    electromagnetic, crackpot.

    Not so, penisnono Penisnino. If you just put 1000000 amps through a
    static bullet it will just weld, melt. You have to give it an initial
    velocity through mechanical or chemical or magnetic means, and all those
    have the smallish recoil one can see in practical rail guns, including
    Arindam's.

    Nonsense.

    While there are hybrid railguns that use a plasma arc to fire
    non-conducting projectiles, a pure railgun has a conducting projectile
    and two or more conducting rails and ALL motion is due to
    electromagnetics,
    crackpot.

    It appears you have no clue how a railgun actually works, crackpot.

    Silly penisnono Penisnino, Arindam's new design rail gun or reactionless
    motor follows far superior theory and practice than the stupid US
    designs like those using plasma. Because those designs were so lousy,
    they were given up.

    Note: penisnono = c**t

    <snip remaining utter nonsense>

    Typical penisnono tactic.

    Woof-woof woof woof woof woof-woof

    Bertietaylor

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Bertietaylor on Tue Dec 10 06:30:59 2024
    Bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 14:58:47 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

    <snip old crap>

    While there are hybrid railguns that use a plasma arc to fire
    non-conducting projectiles, a pure railgun has a conducting projectile
    and two or more conducting rails and ALL motion is due to
    electromagnetics,
    crackpot.

    It appears you have no clue how a railgun actually works, crackpot.

    Silly penisnono Penisnino, Arindam's new design rail gun or reactionless motor follows far superior theory and practice than the stupid US
    designs like those using plasma.

    Only SOME designs use plasma, crackpot.

    So where is the experimental data, data analysis and math that shows
    your design does ANYTHING other than slowly roll pipes, crackpot?

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Bertietaylor on Tue Dec 10 06:34:34 2024
    Bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 15:03:57 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

    bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    Woof-woof, Arindam allowed me to post the background info. about rail
    guns in his 2013 seminal paper on the rail gun.



    Arindam Banerjee and Dr. P J Radcliffe
    School of Electrical and Computer Engineering
    Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology
    Melbourne, Australia




    Abstract—Recent experimental work on model rail guns shows very little >>> recoil upon the rails for the static case, where the armature or
    projectile does not move.

    Of course there is no recoil in this case because recoil requires
    *MOTION*
    as in Newton's laws of *MOTION*, crackpot.

    Not so, ridiculous fool. Motion relates to velocity and momentum whereas recoil is a force measured by mass and acceleration.

    And acceleration is the first derivative of velocity, crackpot.

    You are utterly cluesless in everything you babble about, crackpot.

    <snip remaining ignorant babble>

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  • From Bertietaylor@21:1/5 to Jim Pennino on Wed Dec 11 05:36:38 2024
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 14:34:34 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

    Bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 15:03:57 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

    bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    Woof-woof, Arindam allowed me to post the background info. about rail
    guns in his 2013 seminal paper on the rail gun.



    Arindam Banerjee and Dr. P J Radcliffe
    School of Electrical and Computer Engineering
    Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology
    Melbourne, Australia




    Abstract—Recent experimental work on model rail guns shows very little >>>> recoil upon the rails for the static case, where the armature or
    projectile does not move.

    Of course there is no recoil in this case because recoil requires
    *MOTION*
    as in Newton's laws of *MOTION*, crackpot.

    Not so, ridiculous fool. Motion relates to velocity and momentum whereas
    recoil is a force measured by mass and acceleration.

    And acceleration is the first derivative of velocity, crackpot!

    Wow penisnino you have heard about derivatives but have no clue about
    what they mean.
    Any bright 12 year old knows far better physics or other penisnono
    Einsteinians ever will. For the 12 year old mind cannot be so
    irreparably twisted.



    You are utterly cluesless in everything you babble about, crackpot.

    <snip remaining ignorant babble>

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to Bertietaylor on Wed Dec 11 07:51:15 2024
    Bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 14:34:34 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

    Bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 15:03:57 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

    bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
    Woof-woof, Arindam allowed me to post the background info. about rail >>>>> guns in his 2013 seminal paper on the rail gun.



    Arindam Banerjee and Dr. P J Radcliffe
    School of Electrical and Computer Engineering
    Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology
    Melbourne, Australia




    Abstract—Recent experimental work on model rail guns shows very little >>>>> recoil upon the rails for the static case, where the armature or
    projectile does not move.

    Of course there is no recoil in this case because recoil requires
    *MOTION*
    as in Newton's laws of *MOTION*, crackpot.

    Not so, ridiculous fool. Motion relates to velocity and momentum whereas >>> recoil is a force measured by mass and acceleration.

    And acceleration is the first derivative of velocity, crackpot!

    Wow penisnino you have heard about derivatives but have no clue about
    what they mean.

    I know very well what they mean while you obviously don't when you
    spout utter nonsense such as static recoil, crackpot.

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  • From David Canzi@21:1/5 to Bertietaylor on Wed Dec 11 18:49:50 2024
    On 12/8/24 21:50, Bertietaylor wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 19:03:20 +0000, David Canzi wrote:

    On 12/6/24 19:12, Bertietaylor wrote:
    Lousy research skills by Einsteinians on display!

    For some reason, you edited out everything I said, so it is not on
    display.  Maybe you don't really want it to be on display, hmm?

    It is not necessary to repost what has already been posted. Anyone can
    follow a thread to see what was written earlier.

    It's easier for readers to judge the quality of your response if your
    response and what it is a response to are both on-screen at the same
    time.

    True that Arindam's 2013 conference paper was rejected by Europeans but
    was accepted by the Chinese, Koreans and the Japanese reviewers. In 2016 >>> Arindam did realise the experiment he had described in the 2013 paper.
    However the faculty at RMIT stabbed him in the back. They denied that
    Arindam had made a working model of a new design rail gun, and failed
    Arindam at his final PhD viva. Arindam then continued entirely on his
    own and in 2017 posted online a full set of YouTube videos with complete >>> details. In later years he made more powerful guns and developed the new >>> theory, got more powerful capacitors to show inertia violation very
    clearly. This proving his new physics started back in 1998.

    So did he get to present his paper at the conference? Did his paper
    ever get published in a journal? Did he ever get his PhD? You say he
    was stabbed in the back. I say he was treated like a flat-Earther
    trying to get a PhD in geology, and that treatment was probably
    appropriate.

    https://www.facebook.com/100000534193755/videos/350814810783223

    The two-second video you posted a link to shows a railgun with flexible
    rails. At one point the rocking of the tower of batteries flexes the
    rails so they lose contact with one of the rollers used to support the
    rails. The projectile is a cylindrical roller that hits stops at the
    end of the rails, and knocks some kind of bumper over the stops and onto
    the floor. The railgun first moves rightward while the projectile is
    being propelled leftward. After the projectile hits the stops at the
    end of the rails, the railgun moves leftward, colliding with the
    dislodged bumper, which could affect the end result.

    If the tower of batteries is half-way between two of the rollers that
    support the rails, and something moves the tower closer to one of those
    rollers than the other, on flexible rails there is a restoring force
    that tends to move the tower back to half-way between the rollers.

    If I wanted to test conservation of momentum with this kind of
    apparatus, I would use rigid rails. I would not build a shaky tower
    of 12 upright batteries, 3 layers high, narrow at the bottom and wide
    at the top. They can be laid on their sides, 6 per rail, so that the
    height of the pile is much lower, and widest at the bottom.

    I would not accept the outcome of an experiment in which a piece of
    the apparatus falls off.

    The apparatus in the video doesn't look like it was designed to
    detect a breakage of the conservation of momentum. It looks
    like the product of prolonged tinkering, making the apparatus
    more and more complicated until, finally, it produced a result
    that could be interpreted as a breakage of conservation of
    by somebody who doesn't think about it deeply enough.

    I was responding to the claim that rail guns don't recoil.

    That is not entirely correct. The claim is that the electromagnetic
    force accelerating the armature - under certain conditions - does NOT
    have an equal and opposite reaction.

    Your direct quote from the 2013 paper described a lack of recoil.
    I interpreted that as no recoil, and I expect that most native
    English speakers would interpret it that way.

    If you want to test conservation of momentum with this railgun
    apparatus, use rigid rails, a compact arrangement of the batteries,
    and a firmly attached bumper. Take video starting from the
    moment power is applied to the rails and ending when the projectile
    comes into contact with the bumper. If the distance the projectile
    has moved multiplied by the projectile's mass is very different
    from the distance the railgun has moved multiplied by the mass of
    the railgun, then momentum was not conserved.

    Conservation of momentum is very simple. You don't need an elaborate
    and flimsy apparatus that wobbles and rocks to test it.

    Now mechanical force is needed to
    launch the projectile upon the rails. That force has a reaction of
    course. The recoil seen on videos is the reaction from the mechanical component.

    I saw no mechanical device pushing the projectile to start
    it moving. I saw a motion blur of a hand dipping down to
    do something and then moving up again quickly. If I can't
    see clearly what is happening, I have no reason to believe
    that what is happening is what you say is happening.

    Use a higher frame rate. Nowadays bits are cheap.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bertietaylor@21:1/5 to David Canzi on Thu Dec 12 01:36:32 2024
    On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 23:49:50 +0000, David Canzi wrote:

    On 12/8/24 21:50, Bertietaylor wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 19:03:20 +0000, David Canzi wrote:

    On 12/6/24 19:12, Bertietaylor wrote:
    Lousy research skills by Einsteinians on display!

    For some reason, you edited out everything I said, so it is not on
    display.  Maybe you don't really want it to be on display, hmm?

    It is not necessary to repost what has already been posted. Anyone can
    follow a thread to see what was written earlier.

    It's easier for readers to judge the quality of your response if your response and what it is a response to are both on-screen at the same
    time.

    Since the only reader worthy of notice is just you in these ggexit days
    that is not much of an issue. We did not think you had written anything
    for specific attention.

    True that Arindam's 2013 conference paper was rejected by Europeans but >>>> was accepted by the Chinese, Koreans and the Japanese reviewers. In 2016 >>>> Arindam did realise the experiment he had described in the 2013 paper. >>>> However the faculty at RMIT stabbed him in the back. They denied that
    Arindam had made a working model of a new design rail gun, and failed
    Arindam at his final PhD viva. Arindam then continued entirely on his
    own and in 2017 posted online a full set of YouTube videos with complete >>>> details. In later years he made more powerful guns and developed the new >>>> theory, got more powerful capacitors to show inertia violation very
    clearly. This proving his new physics started back in 1998.

    So did he get to present his paper at the conference?

    Yes.

    Did his paper
    ever get published in a journal?

    It was published online and we have given the link in this thread.


    Did he ever get his PhD?

    No.

    You say he
    was stabbed in the back. I say he was treated like a flat-Earther
    trying to get a PhD in geology, and that treatment was probably
    appropriate.


    Actually he is the Galileo of our time getting persecuted by the church
    that believed most strongly strongly that the Earth is still; the Sun
    and the stars go around the Earth in moving crystal spheres - where the
    stars are not suns but holes in the spheres that let in the light from
    Heaven.

    His inertia violation experiment with his new design rail gun makes all
    the physicists look like flat earthers.

    Woof-woof woof woof-woof woof woof-woof woof

    Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

    https://www.facebook.com/100000534193755/videos/350814810783223

    The two-second video you posted a link to shows a railgun with flexible rails. At one point the rocking of the tower of batteries flexes the
    rails so they lose contact with one of the rollers used to support the
    rails. The projectile is a cylindrical roller that hits stops at the
    end of the rails, and knocks some kind of bumper over the stops and onto
    the floor. The railgun first moves rightward while the projectile is
    being propelled leftward. After the projectile hits the stops at the
    end of the rails, the railgun moves leftward, colliding with the
    dislodged bumper, which could affect the end result.

    If the tower of batteries is half-way between two of the rollers that
    support the rails, and something moves the tower closer to one of those rollers than the other, on flexible rails there is a restoring force
    that tends to move the tower back to half-way between the rollers.

    If I wanted to test conservation of momentum with this kind of
    apparatus, I would use rigid rails. I would not build a shaky tower
    of 12 upright batteries, 3 layers high, narrow at the bottom and wide
    at the top. They can be laid on their sides, 6 per rail, so that the
    height of the pile is much lower, and widest at the bottom.

    I would not accept the outcome of an experiment in which a piece of
    the apparatus falls off.

    The apparatus in the video doesn't look like it was designed to
    detect a breakage of the conservation of momentum. It looks
    like the product of prolonged tinkering, making the apparatus
    more and more complicated until, finally, it produced a result
    that could be interpreted as a breakage of conservation of
    by somebody who doesn't think about it deeply enough.

    I was responding to the claim that rail guns don't recoil.

    That is not entirely correct. The claim is that the electromagnetic
    force accelerating the armature - under certain conditions - does NOT
    have an equal and opposite reaction.

    Your direct quote from the 2013 paper described a lack of recoil.
    I interpreted that as no recoil, and I expect that most native
    English speakers would interpret it that way.

    If you want to test conservation of momentum with this railgun
    apparatus, use rigid rails, a compact arrangement of the batteries,
    and a firmly attached bumper. Take video starting from the
    moment power is applied to the rails and ending when the projectile
    comes into contact with the bumper. If the distance the projectile
    has moved multiplied by the projectile's mass is very different
    from the distance the railgun has moved multiplied by the mass of
    the railgun, then momentum was not conserved.

    Conservation of momentum is very simple. You don't need an elaborate
    and flimsy apparatus that wobbles and rocks to test it.

    Now mechanical force is needed to
    launch the projectile upon the rails. That force has a reaction of
    course. The recoil seen on videos is the reaction from the mechanical
    component.

    I saw no mechanical device pushing the projectile to start
    it moving. I saw a motion blur of a hand dipping down to
    do something and then moving up again quickly. If I can't
    see clearly what is happening, I have no reason to believe
    that what is happening is what you say is happening.

    Use a higher frame rate. Nowadays bits are cheap.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bertietaylor@21:1/5 to Bertietaylor on Thu Dec 12 11:14:27 2024
    On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 1:36:32 +0000, Bertietaylor wrote:

    On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 23:49:50 +0000, David Canzi wrote:

    On 12/8/24 21:50, Bertietaylor wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 19:03:20 +0000, David Canzi wrote:

    On 12/6/24 19:12, Bertietaylor wrote:
    Lousy research skills by Einsteinians on display!

    For some reason, you edited out everything I said, so it is not on
    display.  Maybe you don't really want it to be on display, hmm?

    It is not necessary to repost what has already been posted. Anyone can
    follow a thread to see what was written earlier.

    It's easier for readers to judge the quality of your response if your
    response and what it is a response to are both on-screen at the same
    time.

    Since the only reader worthy of notice is just you in these ggexit days
    that is not much of an issue. We did not think you had written anything
    for specific attention.

    True that Arindam's 2013 conference paper was rejected by Europeans but >>>>> was accepted by the Chinese, Koreans and the Japanese reviewers. In 2016 >>>>> Arindam did realise the experiment he had described in the 2013 paper. >>>>> However the faculty at RMIT stabbed him in the back. They denied that >>>>> Arindam had made a working model of a new design rail gun, and failed >>>>> Arindam at his final PhD viva. Arindam then continued entirely on his >>>>> own and in 2017 posted online a full set of YouTube videos with complete >>>>> details. In later years he made more powerful guns and developed the new >>>>> theory, got more powerful capacitors to show inertia violation very
    clearly. This proving his new physics started back in 1998.

    So did he get to present his paper at the conference?

    Yes.

    Did his paper
    ever get published in a journal?

    It was published online and we have given the link in this thread.


    Did he ever get his PhD?

    No.

    You say he
    was stabbed in the back. I say he was treated like a flat-Earther
    trying to get a PhD in geology, and that treatment was probably
    appropriate.


    Actually he is the Galileo of our time getting persecuted by the church
    that believed most strongly strongly that the Earth is still; the Sun
    and the stars go around the Earth in moving crystal spheres - where the
    stars are not suns but holes in the spheres that let in the light from Heaven.

    His inertia violation experiment with his new design rail gun makes all
    the physicists look like flat earthers.

    Woof-woof woof woof-woof woof woof-woof woof

    Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

    https://www.facebook.com/100000534193755/videos/350814810783223

    The two-second video you posted a link to shows a railgun with flexible
    rails.

    No the rails were fixed to the gun and not flexible.



    At one point the rocking of the tower of batteries flexes the
    rails so they lose contact with one of the rollers used to support the
    rails.

    There are no batteries. There are capacitors. You are talking gibberish
    here. The rails are fixed on a piece of wood which has a flat below
    surface. The whole assembly sits on rollers and thus can go forward and
    back. Which would be impossible if it was resting on the ground.




    The projectile is a cylindrical roller that hits stops at the
    end of the rails, and knocks some kind of bumper over the stops and onto
    the floor. The railgun first moves rightward while the projectile is
    being propelled leftward. After the projectile hits the stops at the
    end of the rails, the railgun moves leftward, colliding with the
    dislodged bumper, which could affect the end result.

    Correct. Thanks for your correct understanding. Most welcome.

    In other words the centre of mass of the whole system moves forward with
    the electric force. In free space it would keep on moving unless
    retarded by friction or meeting an obstacle. Both these events happen
    here in the video.


    If the tower of batteries is half-way between two of the rollers that
    support the rails, and something moves the tower closer to one of those
    rollers than the other, on flexible rails there is a restoring force
    that tends to move the tower back to half-way between the rollers.

    Gibberish once again. Don't know what you are talking about.
    The rollers are there to reduce drastically the friction between the gun
    and the ground so that the gun system can move freely forward and
    backward. To simulate this action in free space. The rails are not
    flexible, to repeat.

    If I wanted to test conservation of momentum with this kind of
    apparatus, I would use rigid rails.

    They are rigid all right and fixed to the gun.



    I would not build a shaky tower
    of 12 upright batteries, 3 layers high, narrow at the bottom and wide
    at the top. They can be laid on their sides, 6 per rail, so that the
    height of the pile is much lower, and widest at the bottom.

    Irrelevant. They are capacitors and just a mass for the purpose of
    momentum calculations. Their vibration had no impact upon the force on
    the projectile nor the reaction due to the rolling of the armature or projectile upon the rails.

    Bottom line is that the whole system gets momentum from rest, violating inertia.

    I would not accept the outcome of an experiment in which a piece of
    the apparatus falls off.

    Call it divine interference to show that external obstruction can stop
    the movement of the gun which otherwise would keep on moving till
    stopped by friction. Or never stopping in free space with no
    constraints.

    Anyway that is what Arindam was satisfied with and has brought his work
    to a halt. He has other things to do.



    The apparatus in the video doesn't look like it was designed to
    detect a breakage of the conservation of momentum.

    It gave a body net momentum with internal force and if that does not
    violate the law of conservation of momentum what does.




    It looks
    like the product of prolonged tinkering, making the apparatus
    more and more complicated until, finally, it produced a result
    that could be interpreted as a breakage of conservation of
    by somebody who doesn't think about it deeply enough.


    It is a very simple design although the maths is very intricate.

    I was responding to the claim that rail guns don't recoil.

    That is not entirely correct. The claim is that the electromagnetic
    force accelerating the armature - under certain conditions - does NOT
    have an equal and opposite reaction.

    Your direct quote from the 2013 paper described a lack of recoil.
    I interpreted that as no recoil, and I expect that most native
    English speakers would interpret it that way.

    If you want to test conservation of momentum with this railgun
    apparatus, use rigid rails, a compact arrangement of the batteries,
    and a firmly attached bumper. Take video starting from the
    moment power is applied to the rails and ending when the projectile
    comes into contact with the bumper. If the distance the projectile
    has moved multiplied by the projectile's mass is very different
    from the distance the railgun has moved multiplied by the mass of
    the railgun, then momentum was not conserved.

    Conservation of momentum is very simple. You don't need an elaborate
    and flimsy apparatus that wobbles and rocks to test it.

    Now mechanical force is needed to
    launch the projectile upon the rails. That force has a reaction of
    course. The recoil seen on videos is the reaction from the mechanical
    component.

    I saw no mechanical device pushing the projectile to start
    it moving. I saw a motion blur of a hand dipping down to
    do something and then moving up again quickly. If I can't
    see clearly what is happening, I have no reason to believe
    that what is happening is what you say is happening.

    Use a higher frame rate. Nowadays bits are cheap.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Bertietaylor@21:1/5 to Bertietaylor on Thu Dec 12 12:18:28 2024
    On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 1:36:32 +0000, Bertietaylor wrote:

    On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 23:49:50 +0000, David Canzi wrote:

    On 12/8/24 21:50, Bertietaylor wrote:
    On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 19:03:20 +0000, David Canzi wrote:

    On 12/6/24 19:12, Bertietaylor wrote:
    Lousy research skills by Einsteinians on display!

    For some reason, you edited out everything I said, so it is not on
    display.  Maybe you don't really want it to be on display, hmm?

    It is not necessary to repost what has already been posted. Anyone can
    follow a thread to see what was written earlier.

    It's easier for readers to judge the quality of your response if your
    response and what it is a response to are both on-screen at the same
    time.

    Since the only reader worthy of notice is just you in these ggexit days
    that is not much of an issue. We did not think you had written anything
    for specific attention.

    True that Arindam's 2013 conference paper was rejected by Europeans but >>>>> was accepted by the Chinese, Koreans and the Japanese reviewers. In 2016 >>>>> Arindam did realise the experiment he had described in the 2013 paper. >>>>> However the faculty at RMIT stabbed him in the back. They denied that >>>>> Arindam had made a working model of a new design rail gun, and failed >>>>> Arindam at his final PhD viva. Arindam then continued entirely on his >>>>> own and in 2017 posted online a full set of YouTube videos with complete >>>>> details. In later years he made more powerful guns and developed the new >>>>> theory, got more powerful capacitors to show inertia violation very
    clearly. This proving his new physics started back in 1998.

    So did he get to present his paper at the conference?

    Yes.

    Did his paper
    ever get published in a journal?

    It was published online and we have given the link in this thread.


    Did he ever get his PhD?

    No.

    You say he
    was stabbed in the back. I say he was treated like a flat-Earther
    trying to get a PhD in geology, and that treatment was probably
    appropriate.


    Actually he is the Galileo of our time getting persecuted by the church
    that believed most strongly strongly that the Earth is still; the Sun
    and the stars go around the Earth in moving crystal spheres - where the
    stars are not suns but holes in the spheres that let in the light from Heaven.

    His inertia violation experiment with his new design rail gun makes all
    the physicists look like flat earthers.

    Woof-woof woof woof-woof woof woof-woof woof

    Bertietaylor (Arindam's celestial cyberdogs)

    https://www.facebook.com/100000534193755/videos/350814810783223

    The two-second video you posted a link to shows a railgun with flexible
    rails. At one point the rocking of the tower of batteries flexes the
    rails so they lose contact with one of the rollers used to support the
    rails. The projectile is a cylindrical roller that hits stops at the
    end of the rails, and knocks some kind of bumper over the stops and onto
    the floor. The railgun first moves rightward while the projectile is
    being propelled leftward. After the projectile hits the stops at the
    end of the rails, the railgun moves leftward, colliding with the
    dislodged bumper, which could affect the end result.

    If the tower of batteries is half-way between two of the rollers that
    support the rails, and something moves the tower closer to one of those
    rollers than the other, on flexible rails there is a restoring force
    that tends to move the tower back to half-way between the rollers.

    If I wanted to test conservation of momentum with this kind of
    apparatus, I would use rigid rails. I would not build a shaky tower
    of 12 upright batteries, 3 layers high, narrow at the bottom and wide
    at the top. They can be laid on their sides, 6 per rail, so that the
    height of the pile is much lower, and widest at the bottom.

    I would not accept the outcome of an experiment in which a piece of
    the apparatus falls off.

    The apparatus in the video doesn't look like it was designed to
    detect a breakage of the conservation of momentum. It looks
    like the product of prolonged tinkering, making the apparatus
    more and more complicated until, finally, it produced a result
    that could be interpreted as a breakage of conservation of
    by somebody who doesn't think about it deeply enough.

    I was responding to the claim that rail guns don't recoil.

    That is not entirely correct. The claim is that the electromagnetic
    force accelerating the armature - under certain conditions - does NOT
    have an equal and opposite reaction.

    Your direct quote from the 2013 paper described a lack of recoil.
    I interpreted that as no recoil, and I expect that most native
    English speakers would interpret it that way.

    It was understood among the persons in the field that recoil in the rail
    gun context meant the quality of reaction to the accelerating
    electromagnetic force called the Lorenz force in the literature.
    Practical rail guns use certain non em means to place the projectile on
    the rails, hence one may find videos of military railguns showing some
    recoil. Given the very high momentum of the projectile it was expected
    that the recoil should be larger. So that subjective feeling led Lt
    Schroeder of the US Navy in 2007 to conduct detailed experiments to see
    what reaction there was on the rails. He found very little reaction so
    the conclusion was that if there was recoil it had to be taken up by the
    heavy batteries on the ground.

    If you want to test conservation of momentum with this railgun
    apparatus, use rigid rails, a compact arrangement of the batteries,
    and a firmly attached bumper.

    Already done. The rails are rigid. The capacitors are mounted on the
    gun, and moving with it. Not kept on the ground. The bumper is okay,
    served its purpose to catch the backwards motion and push the whole
    thing forward till it fell off and stopped the gun from moving another
    few millimetres.

    Of course there will be no end to improving this experiment. Arindam
    would like to make the projectile slide rather than roll. Much less
    recoil then from rolling friction. Then he would like to make it cyclic
    like a two stroke motor.

    Well that would be nice but beyond Arindam's scope at present.

    Would be good if Trump had the balls to ask his minions to repeat this experiment, confirm the online published results and declare Arindam as
    the worthy successor of Sir Isaac Newton.

    Then work could progress really well.

    Take video starting from the
    moment power is applied to the rails and ending when the projectile
    comes into contact with the bumper.

    Done that. Frame by frame the positions of the armature, gun and then
    after collision the armature-gun assembly have been measured by a scale
    on the ground using position of armature and pointer on gun. The
    necessary graphs for momentum have been plotted and published. There is
    net momentum after the collision and the data value has been found.




    If the distance the projectile
    has moved multiplied by the projectile's mass is very different
    from the distance the railgun has moved multiplied by the mass of
    the railgun, then momentum was not conserved.



    Gibberish. Momentum is not conserved when a body acquired a speed from
    rest without external force. This is just what is shown in the video.

    In every railgun- motor experiment Arindam has done the centre of mass
    has shifted although the gun moved back. In this case the gun kept
    moving forward and the centre of mass moved forward by quite a lot even
    with the blocking.

    Conservation of momentum is very simple. You don't need an elaborate
    and flimsy apparatus that wobbles and rocks to test it.

    Now mechanical force is needed to
    launch the projectile upon the rails. That force has a reaction of
    course. The recoil seen on videos is the reaction from the mechanical
    component.

    I saw no mechanical device pushing the projectile to start
    it moving. I saw a motion blur of a hand dipping down to
    do something and then moving up again quickly.

    It was Arindam's hand lifting a spring latch that pushed the heavy
    projectile onto the rails with some velocity that kept it rolling and so
    not getting stuck to the rails with the high current.



    If I can't
    see clearly what is happening, I have no reason to believe
    that what is happening is what you say is happening.


    You have correctly said from what you saw that the projectile
    accelerated down the rails, the gun went backwards and then after the
    collision at the muzzle end the backwards motion was arrested and the
    whole thing kept going forward till it was stopped by the projectile
    jumping off and blocking the gun.

    Very good.

    Use a higher frame rate. Nowadays bits are cheap.

    The frame rate was adequate to provide the net momentum value, which was
    what the experiment was partly about. More obviously it is a working
    model of a new design rail gun of very high power and efficiency.

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 14 10:19:20 2024
    All happy now, we find.
    woof-woof

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  • From Bertietaylor@21:1/5 to bertietaylor on Wed Dec 18 06:53:40 2024
    On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 10:19:20 +0000, bertietaylor wrote:

    All happy now, we find.
    woof-woof

    Good.

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